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 Will you vote for Hillary when/if Sanders endorses her?
 Yes 2 66%
 No 1 33%
Multiple choice poll. Total votes: 3. This poll has been closed.


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Here is my guess as to what is going to happen here.
 Bernie Sanders will not be the Democratic nominee. Hillary Clinton will be. I am pretty sure Bernie knows this. I am close to positive that Hillary Does. As Ralph Nader sort-of points out, Bernie isn't really running to win. He's running to get some importnat issues into the debates/discussions. Problem is, it won't help.
 I would have a lot more respect for Sanders if he had decided to run as an Independent. There's no doubt he would have then ended up like Nader, but it's a much more helpful and noble route to take. Ralph Nader has served the people more than Sanders ever will.
 Maybe Sanders is naive enough to believe that if he pushes these issues Hillary will give them more attention when she becomes President. If that's the case it's another bad idea. Clinton is a hateful, power-loving, liar and a coward. She is also a corporate shill, like Obama. (Remember when some of you were excited about Obama? Does anyone remember anything I posted on the green OJ Board about it, back in 2008?  was wrong back then, in that Obama prove to be meaner and more fearful than I imagined possible.)
 I agree with Chomsky in that there really is no Democrat Party anymore. There's the Republicans (calling themselves Democrats) and the insane.
 The "Republicans" perhaps are there acting that way on purpose to get you to think you are voting progressive when you vote "Democrat" (Republican).
 Sanders has been bad on Israel/Palestine and bad in that he is very pro-military spending---from what I hear. I have not followed his career nor will I in the future beyond an occassional accidental run-in with some news about him.
 Some of my good friends are excited. "Feel the Bern". The burn we will be feeling is the burn form the corporate state once Clinton gets her claws into us all.
 Sanders is making a gross move by promising to support the nominee. He'll be up there shmoozing and smiling with Hillary. Will that get you to vote for Hillary? What if she names him as Vice President. This could..and probably will...end with many nice people voting for that evil vindictive woman.

 Make no mistake, even if Sanders became President his hands would be tied. The only hope is to work outside of the system entirely, and even then, while some folks will save their souls, the masses will commit suicide.
 I'll cointinue to not partake in the elections, of course.

 Nader (a true badass) has some interesting things to say about Sanders:

 https://youtu.be/yiOzaLaR3XQ?t=15m15s

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 I should admit what you probably know, which is that, unlike many (in a way) of the things I sing about, I have not come upon all of this personally. I am basically, with a few personal comments thrown in, relaying what Chris Hedges and Ralph Nader have to say on this subject. I intuitively find them trustworthy in this area and also I haven't heard any other take on Sanders' campaign that has resignated with me as deeply as theirs has.
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 Ronda Rousey got knocked out last night.
Obviously, anything can happen.
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Trying to take a bigger picture perspective. The fact that The Bern is educating people about Socialism, Democratic Socialism, what have you is a good thing IMHO. 

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Fair enough, but he may possibly attempt to funnel all of his fans into Clinton's camp.

 On another note, I'll bet there are a lot...I mean a LOT (millions)... of cowards and racists (admittedly a form of cowardice) in the U.S that support Trump. One reason I believe he may not win is that there are some very powerful people that know Clinton will be more controllable. Wall Street meanies and weapons manufacturers know they can trust Hillary to continue the bullshit that keeps them rich. Trump is a bit of a wild card in their eyes. (Though he's big on military might as well.) This is all guess work on my part. I don't follow politics that closely that often.

 No matter who wins the election, the corrupt, controlling, one-sided system wins. Even if Sanders becomes the next President of this country, his hands will be tied (not to mention the fact that he's pretty lame all on his own in some areas---like the Israeli occupation of Palestine).

 Bottom line for me is I don't believe in this system and have zero faith that anything done within it will be of any help whatsoever, in the long-term.
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One plus argument for Trump. And believe me, I don't think there are many, is that more people are paying attention to the presidential race than ever. Isn't that better than people just following the herd? At least the real scum is coming out to play for this one. I feel like a lot of people are waking up to some very ugly pictures of the American landscape that they might not have seen or at least taken so seriously before.
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Donald Trump is a Republican party's wet dream. He brings the ratings. He is an empty shell. When he speaks, he says the same thing every time. Hitting key words for the uninformed voter to find interest in. 

Bernie Sanders is catching fire. He talks about what really matters to someone like me. He's also brought his points of view to the mainstream and candidates, like Hillary, are copying elements of his platform.

Hillary is fake, but she knows the game and gives good face to the rest of the world.  

I hope Bernie wins. He's the first candidate I've ever given money to. I also wear a sweatshirt, (Star wars themed, that says "Help us Bernie Sanders, you're our only hope") that gets a lot of interest from friends and strangers alike. I promote him and will vote for him and hope he can pull out a win over Clinton.  
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 If Trump wins will he have Muslims wear a giant "M" on their clothes?
 I wonder what the future of my Bangladeshi co-workers (who are Muslims) will be like if they stay in America.
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After watching a few debates now from both Dems and Reps, Hillary does have a leg up on the actual relationship of our country to other countries. I guess you call that foreign policy. She's the only one who really knows her shit. Bernie does too, and still my guy on all accounts. But that's one positive point to Hillary if I had to find one. 
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 Hillary is the one with the most insider info, right?
Her's is the position of superior power to all of the others, far as I know. She has access to things none of the others do.
 As for her understanding, if she is elected it will be used to bully and steal if she has anything to say about it. She will defend weapons manufacturers and bankers that cheat the masses and will physically crush those that stand up.
 She's horrible, again, far as I can tell.
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Radio host Mike Malloy on Trump:

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I'll buy that.
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Trump is an idiot. 
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Trump and Sanders are on the two ends of the spectrum regarding everyone that is vying for a nomination.
 The former as immature as the latter is mature.
 I can't recall ever having seen a gulf between any two potential candidates that is as big as this one. It's not exactly a Hitler/Gandhi gulf (not that they were potential candidates), but it's pretty large.

 One of my main stances is that even if Sanders is elected, his hands will be tied. Not that I am any more in favor of government or any of the rest of it than ever before, just saying, the game rules are such that Pres. Sanders will/would be stopped over and over, and even if he is/was allowed to change some things, the next person will/would perhaps change them back.
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 Exactly what Hedges said would happen.
 Bernie supports Hillary.
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